Why do Hindutva supporters admire Israel? Has Gaza shattered the credibility of Western liberalism? In this conversation, Zarrar Khuhro discusses the ideological links between Hindutva and Zionism, the crisis of Western liberal values after Gaza, Pakistan’s civilizational identity, the Indus Valley debate, the role of liberals in politics, the decline of American dominance, and rising tensions around Iran. A wide-ranging discussion on history, nationalism, geopolitics, media narratives, and the future of the global order.