In this thought-provoking conversation, feminist scholar, author, and activist Afia Zia discusses the complex relationship between Islam and feminism, the legacy of General Zia-ul-Haq's Islamization policies, the rise of the Aurat March, secularism, women's political agency, economic empowerment, and the future of gender equality in Pakistan. The discussion explores some of the most controversial debates surrounding feminism, religion, patriarchy, and social change in contemporary Pakistan.